Taking Deliver of the Cameo F35SB3 |
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| One of our first tasks was to move the mattress from the King of the Road to the Cameo and visa-versa. As it turned out, we needed the short queen in the Cameo and eventually had to move them back again. About lunch time, Ray and Jo came to Wagers to meet us. They are the officers for the Carriage Travel Club, Chapter #41, the Oregon Cascaders. I had learned of Ray and Jo through my inquiry to the national club. Ray and Jo volunteered to meet us a Wagers the day we took delivery. They took us to lunch to tell us of the club and local activities. Ray is on the other end of the mattress in the above photo. Note the open door of the Cameo. It is exactly opposite the open door to the King of the Road. Plywood was placed between the two trailers to transfer our belongings from one to the other. | |||||
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| Dave Wagers has been a great person to work with for this sale. He has kept me up to date on delivery and made sure everything was ordered correctly on our unit. This check was written at about 5:45 pm after working all day to transfer all our stuff from the King of the Road to the Cameo. I had expected to easily deliver our stuff to the Cameo while Gwen put everything in it's place. It soon became apparent that we only had enough time to transfer the stuff and throw it where-ever. Ninety percent of the stuff would have to be arranged sometime later. What a mess. This included my Internet gear, hence, it has taken me three days to get back online. | |||||
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| April 19, 2007: We delivered our trailer back to Wagers early Thursday morning for the bedroom slide adjustment. It was ready for travel by the time we returned from breakfast. We enjoy the restaurant at the Seven Feathers Casino Travel Center. It's easy parking for trucks and RV's. We parked here with the King of the Road on the way to Salem. Pass your cursor through the photo to see the KOTR in the same parking spot. We are headed south on Interstate 5 toward Stockton, California and the Spring Escapade. | |||||
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| May 21, 2007: We have lived in the Cameo F35SB3 for one month. During this month we have learned that this floor plan is one of the most popular Carriage has ever designed. We have not been disappointed in the floor plan or the quality of the materials or construction. We have towed our Cameo about 1,000 miles since our purchase but have lived in it full time. During the last month, we have been making changes to suit our living style. The photo above is of the living area. In a stock F35SB3, you would see plastic replicas of stained glass in the cabinet door fronts, we paid to have real maple installed in the cabinet doors. The living area looks crowded with the two desk chairs, but Gwen and I spend much of our time on our computers. Her workstation is the Mahogany desk in the left corner while my workstation is behind the TV to the right. The LCD TV is on an articulated arm to allow for use of the workstation as well as viewing the TV from different locations in the trailer. It is difficult to see but there is a cat perch above Gwen's laptop on the left of her desk. This keeps Annie off our furniture most of the time. We love the theater seats on the left and the surround sound system for movies and music. We have had no service problems or surprises we have not liked. One surprise I liked was the discovery that the TV antenna is connected to the FM receiver allowing me to pick up a very weak public radio signal from Klamath Falls while camped at Howard Prairie Resort. Additionally, we have experienced 30 degree mornings but found the Cameo easy to heat. We can highly recommend the Cameo. | |||||
Note: For warranty repairs to the Cameo, click here. For changes we have made to the Cameo, click here. For options we chose and detailed description of this model, click here. |
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April 18, 2008: This is my First Year Report after living in the Cameo for one full year. We chose this trailer because we wanted this floor plan. We felt it was the ideal floor plan for us to live full time in a fifth wheel. After one year, we still LOVE this floor plan and consider it ideal for us. When you check the options and changes we have made to this model, you'll see we have made it "our-own" to meet our lifestyle. The major living area change is leaving out the couch to make room for a computer workstation and leaving out the "built-in" TV to make room for a second computer workstation. The large satellite dish you see in the photo above is our satellite Internet dish. We have a wireless network in the trailer so we can both be using the Internet at the same time. Obviously, working on our computers is important to both Gwen and I. A quick summary of our review would be "two thumbs-up" for this trailer. I get into more details below. Having said that, in April, 2007, only the Cameo model was available in this floor plan, now this floor plan is available in the Carri-lite as well. If you have an extra $20,000 for a trailer and an extra $20,000 for a tow vehicle, I'd be buying the Carri-lite model over the Cameo. Not because there is something wrong with the Cameo but because you'll get many more benefits in the Carri-lite model over the Cameo model for the extra money. I recommend this upgrade only if you plan to live in your fifth-wheel full time or just have an extra $40,000 to burn. You can have the dealer describe the differences between the two models. If you are down to purchasing, besides all the options we got on the Cameo, I'd add disk brakes, dual pane windows and individually controlled landing jacks (the landing jacks may be standard on the Carri-lite, they weren't on the Cameo). I personally wouldn't add these options to the Cameo simply because you are trying to make the Cameo into a higher level model than it was intended to be, it's like putting a $10 saddle on a $2 horse. The Cameo is now Carriage's bottom of the line while the Compass was the bottom of the line in 2006 and earlier. Still, if comparing to other brands, be sure you are comparing apples to apples ... in 2008, the Cameo is about a $65,000 trailer so be sure to compare with other brands in that price range. The Carri-lite is about $85,000 - $95,000 depending upon options. So the Cameo is still a medium priced fifth wheel when comparing to other brands who may have cheaper trailers but less quality. Why do we like this model? Fifth wheels have two basic floor plans. One floor plan is a multi use area from front to rear where the front area is a combination bedroom/bathroom area while the rear area is a kitchen/living area. The smaller the trailer the more multi use the whole trailer. This floor plan is ideal for families and vacation trailers and makes good use of the trailer square footage because most areas are "multi use". The problem with this floor plan for us is the feeling of a "vacation" trailer where privacy and comfort are difficult to find (remember, the bathroom is IN the bedroom). The second floor plan style has a separate bedroom and bathroom up front and combination kitchen/living area in the rear. We had always rejected this style floor plan because it seemed so space-wasteful with a hallway to the bedroom and bathroom off the hallway. We rejected this style UNTIL we saw the F35SB3. With rounded corners on the bathroom and bedroom and window in the "hallway", it gives the feeling of a two level apartment. The hallway to the bedroom french door is short and bright due to the window. The linen closet is opposite the bedroom door so the "wasted" space is minimal. Additionally, even if the bedroom door is open, you can't see into the bedroom from the living area. Both the bedroom french door and the bathroom door are REAL doors, not sliders or vinyl accordian partitions. This floor plan feels like a real home with three separate living areas, bedroom, bathroom and kitchen/living area. What's our feeling of the trailer quality?: First, understand that we have lived in the trailer for a year but have put only 6,000 miles on the trailer. It sits for about 6 months at a southern Oregon resort, we move it about 50 miles where it sits for another two months, then we travel for one month. That's where the majority of the miles come from. Second, understand, the Cameo is the bottom of the Carriage line of fifth wheels. Carriage designs the Cameo to stay within a certain price point so they must choose materials, parts and accessories to keep the price low. For example, the Cameo is 96" wide with only enough space for two 30lb propane tanks. The next levels up are 100" wide with 40# tanks. You can't "fix" a 96" wide trailer by making is 100" wide nor can you add 40# tanks, they just won't fit. On the other hand, when Carriage leaves off shock absorbers to save $100+, or they don't put dimmer switches on the overhead halogens above the bed ($80+), you CAN "fix" that. You will also see that some "option" items for the Cameo are "standard" on the Carri-lite". What I'm saying is to be honest in making a judgment of the Cameo, and NOT judge it with the same expectations as a Carri-lite. If you read our warranty report, it may seem like we have had lots of problems, however, notice that nearly ALL our problems are with appliances, and not structural. There are literally thousands of things that can go wrong on one of these trailers and I'm amazed at ALL the problems WE HAVE NOT HAD. Our trailer is not perfect, we plan to replace a bedroom slide motor and take the wrinkles out of the rubber roof under warranty this summer but for the overall quality of the craftsmanship, I would give it a solid "A" rating. I've seen other brands of trailers with many more problems and heard "horror stories" of how owners struggled with those manufacturers to get warranty work completed. Carriage has supported all our problems even when they didn't have to due to errors I made (choosing the wrong repairman). After living and traveling in the Cameo for a year, I would make the same decision again to purchase this product (understanding that the Carri-lite did not have this floor plan a year ago) and would buy another Carriage product when it's time to trade this one in. In another lifetime, I once owned a bicycle shop. I was very proud of the bicycles I sold but would occasionally have a customer question why my lowest price bicycle was $300 while the department store had bicycles for $89. What they saw at the department store seemed the same to them. A bicycle with two wheels, handlebars, tires, brakes, pedals, 10 speeds, and painted pretty colors. In our shop, we would compare the department store bicycle to a paper plate, "you use it once and throw it away". You see, the department store bicycle was nearly impossible to keep running. The components were so poorly made, the brakes could not be adjusted, the derailleur would not hold a setting, wheels would not hold their true and pedals would often bend when used for any length of time. Customers would bring department store bicycles to us for a "tune-up" and we often had to quote repair prices which were more than they paid for the bike because we knew brakes, cables, derailleurs would have to be replaced with quality components. So I would always answer that "the department store bicycle was a fine bike as long as you didn't really want to ride it". Even my least expensive bike was designed to last the rider as long a ride as they could endure. If it needed repair, it was usually a simple adjustment and that adjustment would hold true for several months. I look at the Carriage product just like I looked at the bikes I sold. Even the least expensive model is built to last the travel goals I have in mind. I expect to travel in my Cameo for ten years because it was designed and built with quality components and for full time living. One of my readers wrote an email to me some time ago saying her trailer had a roof leak and the insurance company wanted to "total" the trailer because the repairs would cost $8,000. She wanted to know if I thought she could do the repair herself and save much of the $8,000. The brand of trailer reminded me of the quality of the department store bicycles and I immediately remembered the look on my department-store-bike customer's faces when I quoted a repair price more that the cost of the bike. This lady was in the same situation. Many years ago, a contractor friend of mine purchased a new travel trailer with a plan to live in it between house building jobs. The trailer came with a one year warranty but he explained that if you actually LIVED in the trailer, they reduced the warranty to two weeks. Another reminder of the department store bicycle. I have a couple of points in mind. One is my expectation that my Cameo will last through my travel goals because it was built for the kind of travel I intend to give it. I'll give another example for my second point. In my bike shop, I had medium priced bicycles in the $600 - $800 range and then "high-end" bicycles in the $1,500 - $2,000 range. The differences between the "low-end" bicycles and "medium" bicycles was always the quality of the components. Better brakes, wheels, pedals, lighter-stronger steel, smoother shifting derailleurs and maybe more speeds all adding up to a bike that would hold adjustments longer increasing reliability. The difference between the medium and "high-end" bike was mostly cosmetic and a refining of (luxury)components only the professional racer would need. I've pointed out many of the advantages to moving to a Carri-lite as practical and useful. Carriage and many other brands offer levels above this "medium" priced model. So my second point is that I'm not unconvinced that the "high-end" fifth wheel is more for cosmetics and luxury. Here is another trick that some bicycle brands pull. Some manufacturers will put a high-end derailleur on a medium or low-end bicycle but that's the ONLY high-end component on the bike. Why, because the novice rider quickly learns the derailleur model number for the high-end bike when shopping, then they look at the rear derailleur first in all the stores. In this case, they see a high-end model derailleur but a medium or low price tag and think they have found a bargain. The truth is, the bike still has low-end brakes, wheels, frame, etc. Some trailer manufacturers do this too. What's the first thing you look at when shopping for a fifth wheel? I guess, for the lady, it's the kitchen counter top or maybe the single lever kitchen faucet. Believe me, manufacturers know exactly where you look. What about the men? I'd guess men may look at the alloy tire rims or fancy paint stripes first. Using my bicycle example, a trailer may have alloy rims and a Corian counter top but the rest of the trailer does not match the quality of these two components, it's still a low-end trailer but makes you think you've found a bargain. I have two points. One, don't be fooled by one or two high-end components on a low-end model trailer. You want everything on the trailer you purchase to be matching in quality OR you want the items you can easily replace to be lower quality but the major trailer components that can't be replaced such as the frame, axles, and body construction to be superior. My second point was made sevaral paragraphs earlier, the reason I suggested dual pane windows and disk brakes for the Carri-lite but not the Cameo was if you upgrade major components like this you still have a Cameo frame, ceiling, walls, carpet, etc. Why not buy the better model to begin with rather than try to make the Cameo into something it wasn't intended to be. I had many customers come to me wanting better quality components put onto their low-end bicycles and was happy to accommodate them but they still had a low-end frame, wheels, pedals, crankshaft, handlebars, etc. They should have bought the better bike to begin with so that all components matched in quality. When I bought the Cameo, I believed Carriage built a matched medium-quality unit and hoped what I couldn't see, the underlying structure, was superior to what I could see. After a year, I still believe I have a medium quality unit and don't see stress cracks which might indicate the underlying frame needed more engineering. Since I couldn't get this floor plan in a Carri-lite at the time, I'll admit, I did upgrade a few items to better quality such as a better quality awning than the Cameo standard. When fifth wheel shopping, you can always find a bargain brand fifth wheel which may be fine, if you don't really want to use it. Otherwise, it may be like a paper plate, use it once and throw it away. Let's see what I'm saying at the end of two years in the Cameo (the end of the warranty period). |
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